What do assembly languages and the cloud have in common? Are abstractions the future of cloud computing? What does “infrastructure” really mean? And why do these questions matter to the platform engineers, infrastructure engineers, and developers who are building modern cloud applications today? Joe Duffy (Founder & CEO, Pulumi) and James Governor (Co-founder, RedMonk) recently answered these questions and more in a conversation about developer-first infrastructure. Developer-first infrastructure means empowering developers to build and deploy modern cloud applications and infrastructure through the use of software engineering practices that tame modern cloud complexity.